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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Always Away&#8221; for plausible deniability</title>
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		<title>By: PomeRantz</title>
		<link>http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/2007/10/always-away-for-plausible-deniability/comment-page-1/#comment-28144</link>
		<dc:creator>PomeRantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of email being too formal led to my favorite headline of all time: E-Mail is for Old People
http://chronicle.com/free/v53/i07/07a02701.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of email being too formal led to my favorite headline of all time: E-Mail is for Old People<br />
<a href="http://chronicle.com/free/v53/i07/07a02701.htm" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/free/v53/i07/07a02701.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: tarheelcoxn</title>
		<link>http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/2007/10/always-away-for-plausible-deniability/comment-page-1/#comment-28108</link>
		<dc:creator>tarheelcoxn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Terrell

Yes, they set themselves to always be away, and I&#039;m not being totally accurate when I say that they&#039;re only on 9-5. Basically these folks are logged on when they&#039;re logged in and using their laptops, which is more like 9am to 9pm.

I, on the other hand, am logged in 24/7. I think the conflict is that they still have a paradigm of immediacy. Their clients flash and bounce and do other visually stimulating things to let them know they have a message. Mine just sits there. I have to be looking for new messages to see them.

For me to focus and not be distracted by chat, all I have to do is not switch to that screen window. For them it&#039;s... more difficult somehow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Terrell</p>
<p>Yes, they set themselves to always be away, and I&#8217;m not being totally accurate when I say that they&#8217;re only on 9-5. Basically these folks are logged on when they&#8217;re logged in and using their laptops, which is more like 9am to 9pm.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, am logged in 24/7. I think the conflict is that they still have a paradigm of immediacy. Their clients flash and bounce and do other visually stimulating things to let them know they have a message. Mine just sits there. I have to be looking for new messages to see them.</p>
<p>For me to focus and not be distracted by chat, all I have to do is not switch to that screen window. For them it&#8217;s&#8230; more difficult somehow?</p>
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		<title>By: Terrell Russell</title>
		<link>http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/2007/10/always-away-for-plausible-deniability/comment-page-1/#comment-28106</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrell Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - yes, I think we&#039;re definitely getting to the point where we realize that all our communication is getting filtered in the same way once it enters our heads - and we design our tech around that.

GMail already puts your chat logs into the history with your email correspondence.  It&#039;s strangely comforting to have all that in the same place and available via search - nonwithstanding the creepy factor of seeing all your &#039;instant&#039; communication saved forever.  That&#039;s those norms again - they aren&#039;t shifting fast enough to prevent the creepy from being there.

Perhaps there&#039;s something here - we demarcate the stuff that was interesting/personal (bookmarks, email to us, chat logs, phone calls, our photos, videos) and save it slightly differently than &#039;everything we&#039;ve ever seen&#039; - but all of it is searchable later.

How long we looking at for that. 10 years?  15?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; yes, I think we&#8217;re definitely getting to the point where we realize that all our communication is getting filtered in the same way once it enters our heads &#8211; and we design our tech around that.</p>
<p>GMail already puts your chat logs into the history with your email correspondence.  It&#8217;s strangely comforting to have all that in the same place and available via search &#8211; nonwithstanding the creepy factor of seeing all your &#8216;instant&#8217; communication saved forever.  That&#8217;s those norms again &#8211; they aren&#8217;t shifting fast enough to prevent the creepy from being there.</p>
<p>Perhaps there&#8217;s something here &#8211; we demarcate the stuff that was interesting/personal (bookmarks, email to us, chat logs, phone calls, our photos, videos) and save it slightly differently than &#8216;everything we&#8217;ve ever seen&#8217; &#8211; but all of it is searchable later.</p>
<p>How long we looking at for that. 10 years?  15?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting line of thought - we&#039;re definitely seeing norm formation as more of us are online, all of the time.  Here are a few I notice -

First might be that IM is losing immediacy/synchrony - since we know that we&#039;re going to be continually copresent with our buddies, we can get back to them on our schedule.  This is a little different from a few years ago where a buddy might only sign on for a short amount of time to IM us.

Second is that we&#039;re treating IM more like email.  Its a way we know we can leave a message for you on your desktop when you return.  Seeing as everyone has 30 email addresses and Facebook and etc IM still remains a method of somewhat reliable, direct communication.  

While some of the problems danah describes still exist, I believe that more of us are internalizing these new, casual uses of IM.  Its almost like IM has shifted from the &quot;full-synchrony&quot; (i.e. cell phone conversation-like) to the partial-synchrony norms of text messaging.  Which is sort of interesting because IM have always been text messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting line of thought &#8211; we&#8217;re definitely seeing norm formation as more of us are online, all of the time.  Here are a few I notice -</p>
<p>First might be that IM is losing immediacy/synchrony &#8211; since we know that we&#8217;re going to be continually copresent with our buddies, we can get back to them on our schedule.  This is a little different from a few years ago where a buddy might only sign on for a short amount of time to IM us.</p>
<p>Second is that we&#8217;re treating IM more like email.  Its a way we know we can leave a message for you on your desktop when you return.  Seeing as everyone has 30 email addresses and Facebook and etc IM still remains a method of somewhat reliable, direct communication.  </p>
<p>While some of the problems danah describes still exist, I believe that more of us are internalizing these new, casual uses of IM.  Its almost like IM has shifted from the &#8220;full-synchrony&#8221; (i.e. cell phone conversation-like) to the partial-synchrony norms of text messaging.  Which is sort of interesting because IM have always been text messages.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrell Russell</title>
		<link>http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/2007/10/always-away-for-plausible-deniability/comment-page-1/#comment-28101</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrell Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tarheelcoxn,

Do they mark themselves as &quot;Away&quot;?  It seems that&#039;s where the culture clash exists.

IRC participation/involvement is its own beast.  I think that IM/chat have definitely taken over the mindshare that was owned by IRC for a while - but you must admit, IRC is *not* mainstream by any stretch of the imagination.  If/when I show people that I&#039;m connected and sitting in a &quot;room&quot; with people from all over the world - they&#039;re amazed and a little creeped out.  It doesn&#039;t usually affect their opinion much when I point out that their AIM or GTalk app is doing the same thing. &quot;But those are my friends&quot;.  Apparently that makes all the difference...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarheelcoxn,</p>
<p>Do they mark themselves as &#8220;Away&#8221;?  It seems that&#8217;s where the culture clash exists.</p>
<p>IRC participation/involvement is its own beast.  I think that IM/chat have definitely taken over the mindshare that was owned by IRC for a while &#8211; but you must admit, IRC is *not* mainstream by any stretch of the imagination.  If/when I show people that I&#8217;m connected and sitting in a &#8220;room&#8221; with people from all over the world &#8211; they&#8217;re amazed and a little creeped out.  It doesn&#8217;t usually affect their opinion much when I point out that their AIM or GTalk app is doing the same thing. &#8220;But those are my friends&#8221;.  Apparently that makes all the difference&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jackflaps.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the day in random</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackflaps.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the day in random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on This Old Network, Terrell Russell riffs on some thoughts about IM. At the end he lists four different functional groups of IM users. I definitely fall under the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tarheelcoxn</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarheelcoxn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># Always-On’s (presence broadcasters).

I&#039;m in this group. I use irssi (a curses-based IRC chat client) with
bitlbee (a gateway server to AIM/oscar, jabber, etc.) to do all my
chat.  I leave irssi running inside a screen session so that whenever I
have ssh and a terminal emulator available I have chat. Since my mail
client is mutt (also curses-based), I leave it in the same screen
session.  If I&#039;m looking at email, I&#039;m three keystrokes away from my
chat client.

This doesn&#039;t quite jive with everybody else in the office, in part
because of an antagonism towards IRC, but also in part because I think
that several key figures are in this camp:

# work-related Usually-On’s (9-5)

They use Adium, guard access to their nicks, and use chat for (a)
things that aren&#039;t appropriate to say aloud, (b) talking without being
overheard, or (c) pasting long URLs quickly.

It confuses me a bit, since we all work essentially in the same
capacity: sysadmin and helpdesk. Suggestions on how to ameliorate the
culture clash would be most welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># Always-On’s (presence broadcasters).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in this group. I use irssi (a curses-based IRC chat client) with<br />
bitlbee (a gateway server to AIM/oscar, jabber, etc.) to do all my<br />
chat.  I leave irssi running inside a screen session so that whenever I<br />
have ssh and a terminal emulator available I have chat. Since my mail<br />
client is mutt (also curses-based), I leave it in the same screen<br />
session.  If I&#8217;m looking at email, I&#8217;m three keystrokes away from my<br />
chat client.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t quite jive with everybody else in the office, in part<br />
because of an antagonism towards IRC, but also in part because I think<br />
that several key figures are in this camp:</p>
<p># work-related Usually-On’s (9-5)</p>
<p>They use Adium, guard access to their nicks, and use chat for (a)<br />
things that aren&#8217;t appropriate to say aloud, (b) talking without being<br />
overheard, or (c) pasting long URLs quickly.</p>
<p>It confuses me a bit, since we all work essentially in the same<br />
capacity: sysadmin and helpdesk. Suggestions on how to ameliorate the<br />
culture clash would be most welcome.</p>
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