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	<title>Terrell Russell: This Old Network &#187; iiw2006b</title>
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		<title>eekim, STODID podcast, and SXSW</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Terrell Russell</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago I was excited to find that Eugene Eric Kim had posted about a conversation we&#8217;d had (when I apparently ambushed him) at the last Internet Identity Workshop in Mountain View in December. I love it when people who write well make me sound smart. What was he doing that I found [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago I was excited to find that <a href="http://www.eekim.com/blog/2007/02/26/tagdisparities">Eugene Eric Kim had posted about a conversation</a> we&#8217;d had (when I apparently ambushed him) at the last Internet Identity Workshop in Mountain View in December.  I love it when people who write well make me sound smart.</p>
<blockquote><p>What was he doing that I found so compelling?  It was his Ph.D. research on <a href="http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ContextualAuthorityTagging" class="wikiword">ContextualAuthorityTagging</a>.  The basis of the idea is simple: The best way to identify an authority on a topic is not to ask people to self-identify themselves as such, but to ask others to identify the people they consider to be the authorities.  We can leverage this principle to locate expertise by building tagging systems where users tag other users with information about their expertise.    <a href="http://www.eekim.com/blog/2007/02/26/tagdisparities#nidLWT" class="nid" title="LWT">(LWT)</a></p>
<p><a title="nidLWU" name="nidLWU" id="nidLWU"></a>Terrell has thought really deeply about this, and several of his ideas are documented at his <a href="http://www.terrellrussell.com/projects/contextualauthoritytagging/" class="extlink">website</a> and on his <a href="http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/2006/09/a-democracy-is-for-opinion-not-for-knowledge/" class="extlink">blog</a>.  <a href="http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PhilWindley" class="wikiword">PhilWindley</a> and <a href="http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DavidWeinberger" class="wikiword">DavidWeinberger</a> have also <a href="http://www.windley.com/archives/2006/11/contextual_authority_tagging.shtml" class="extlink">commented</a> <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/unc_social_tagging_panel.html" class="extlink">on</a> his work.    <a href="http://www.eekim.com/blog/2007/02/26/tagdisparities#nidLWU" class="nid" title="LWU">(LWU)</a></p>
<p><a title="nidLWV" name="nidLWV" id="nidLWV"></a>I heard more original ideas about tagging in that 20 minutes of conversation than I&#8217;ve ever heard from anyone else.  The one that really struck me was the notion of tag disparities: comparing what people say about you to what you say about yourself as a way of measuring reputation.  Sound familiar?  It&#8217;s a real-life instantiation of the <a href="http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SquirmTest" class="wikiword">SquirmTest</a>!    <a href="http://www.eekim.com/blog/2007/02/26/tagdisparities#nidLWV" class="nid" title="LWV">(LWV)</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And then, Aldo Castañeda at <a href="http://stodid.libsyn.com/">The Story of Digital Identity (STODID)</a> contacted me to talk about my work.  We spoke last week and <a href="http://stodid.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=187954">he&#8217;s posted the podcast this morning</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://stodid.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=187954">Episode #55 is live</a> and the <a href="http://media.libsyn.com/media/thestoryofdigitalidentity/STODID-TRussell-03-07.m4a">direct link is here</a>.  It&#8217;s just over 36 minutes long.</p>
<p>I also wanted to share that I&#8217;ll be in Austin this next week for <a href="http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/">SXSWi</a> &#8211; so please send me a note if you want to talk and/or <a href="http://blog.claimid.com/2007/03/claimid-in-the-news-sxsw/">get a very cool claimID button</a>.</p>
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		<title>Internet Identity Workshop 2006b and MicroID</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Terrell Russell</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m here at the <a href="http://iiw.windley.com/wiki/Workshop2006b">Internet Identity Workshop</a> and have been having a number of great conversations.  The quality of the discussions is high and the number of demos is remarkable.  Only seven months ago when I was in Mountain View for the earlier <a href="http://iiw.windley.com/wiki/Workshop2006">IIW2006</a>, there were a couple demos of near-working implementations and a lot of excitement about what the next few months were going to unleash as these systems started to come online.  It&#8217;s also when the idea was first hatched to bake <a href="http://openid.net">OpenID</a> into <a href="http://claimid.com">claimID</a>.  So long ago.</p>
<p>A great many things have happened since then.  <a href="http://swik.net/higgins">Higgins</a> is now demoing live open source implementations of a variety of tools, including Bandit, around the newly announced <a href="http://openid.net/specs.bml">OpenID 2.0 spec</a>.  We have full OpenID 1.1 libraries in all the major programming languages.  OpenID 2.0 code should be rolling out within a couple weeks from a number of the vendors here.  <a href="http://blame.ca/dick/">Dick Hardt</a> of <a href="http://sxip.com/">Sxip</a> demoed the newly announced <a href="http://www.sxipper.com/">Sxipper</a> Firefox plugin.  There was a Safari InfoCard Selector demo complete with modal overlays. There were a surprising number of demos (Java, even) fully functioning with versions of Microsoft&#8217;s CardSpace (coming baked into every copy of Vista in a few short months).  Avery Glasser of <a href="http://vxvsolutions.com/Home/Home.html">VxV Solutions</a> demoed his company&#8217;s voiceprint technology fully integrated and interoperable with OpenID.  <a href="http://janrain.com/">JanRain</a> demoed their new <a href="http://botbouncer.com/">BotBouncer</a> site designed to serve as a centralized CAPTCHA repository so users can know a particular OpenID has passed a humanness test.</p>
<p>I also ran a session this morning on <a href="http://microid.org/">MicroID</a> and how it works as a lightweight verification method for claiming a webpage (and eventually a part of a webpage).  I received a variety of questions about SHA1 and it&#8217;s being broken back in February of 2005 as well as the MicroID not being a true <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAC">HMAC</a>.  The answers, as best I could describe them, hinge on the fact that these are not true secrets being hashed and passed around for MicroID.  We&#8217;re only using hashing in the first place to try and obfuscate the email address of the user &#8211; not protect any nuclear secrets.</p>
<p>Additionally, Dick Hardt posed a question that forced me to step back and reconsider a couple things about MicroID.</p>
<p>He asked, if you&#8217;ve got an OpenID, couldn&#8217;t you just use it as the communication identifier itself and skip the hashing step (which exists to obfuscate the email for publication purposes)?</p>
<p>Of course, he&#8217;s right about this.  If a site has decided they want to play along with all of this fancy identity stuff and expose something which allows others on the internet to verify claims that their users are the same person at a different service, why would they pick to expose MicroID if they could just implement OpenID and expose it instead?</p>
<p>The answer, I think, is mostly that it&#8217;s easier to do MicroID today (it&#8217;s just a hash).  But in the long run, once OpenID is in a lot more places and a lot more visible to everyone online, it will probably be just as easy to simply include a user&#8217;s verified OpenID in the head of their page &#8211; no hashing &#8211; no obfuscation necessary.</p>
<p>Something like this:</p>
<p>&lt;meta name=&#8221;openid&#8221; value=&#8221;http://claimid.com/terrell&#8221;&gt;</p>
<p>Then, other sites can simply check to see that they, too, have independently verified that particular OpenID and &#8216;connect&#8217; the accounts.</p>
<p>Just like MicroID does today.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;m proposing here that MicroID be tweaked to include the opportunity to do just this.  Declare as part of the spec the publishing standard for publishing OpenIDs as well as MicroIDs for public consumption.</p>
<p>Perhaps claiming a blog comment would be easy if it looked something like this:</p>
<p>&lt;div class=&#8221;openid-http://claimid.com/terrell&#8221;&gt;</p>
<p>It seems simple enough and allows these simple claims to be made as the technology matures beyond simple email addresses as communication identifier.</p>
<p>MicroID specifies for the first part of its hashing formula to be any communication identifier, but if it&#8217;s an OpenID specifically, or i-name, it doesn&#8217;t need to be obfuscated and hidden from view.</p>
<p>Thoughts?  What am I missing?  Are there use cases where someone/someservice would still want to obfuscate the OpenID?  Should it ever not be public?</p>
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